Trying to Pick the Right Forehand Grip? Let Roger Federer Help You!

Settling on the right forehand grip can be tough. Conservative grips give you power but not too much spin. More extreme grips are the opposite — more spin, less power. What should you do?

In the long run you want to choose a grip that works into the larger framework of your game. If you’re an attacking player, a more conservative grip is probably best. If you’re a counterpuncher, a more extreme grip is likely a better fit.

What if you’ve just started or are still working out the kinks in your forehand technique? In that case, copy Roger Federer!

As we explain in the video below, Roger uses the eastern forehand grip. This conservative grip facilitates a flat (horizontal) swing path. Thus, hitting through the ball is much easier than with a more extreme grip (extreme grips result in more vertical swing paths).

For this reason, most novices who start with extreme grips have trouble learning how to hit through the ball. Their forehands tend to have lots of spin, little pace, and land short. Against decent competition, these forehands are easily exploited.

It’s true that using a conservative grip will limit your ability to hit with topspin from the get-go. However, the ability to hit through the ball — with fundamentally sound technique — is an absolute must for high-level play. Once you can do that, it’s safe to experiment with more extreme grips because you’ll still be hitting through the ball properly.

Do you use a conservative grip — like Federer — or a more extreme grip — like Nadal?

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  • a Vizzy
    Will,
    I have an eastern grip (as I mentioned above)....

    If I am inside the base line and want to finsh a point with a hard forehand (well inside the court), should I be using the WW forehand or should I be extending my follow through well above my shoulder(getting the top spin that way)?

    I guess my question boils down to...there seems (i think) to be two different ways to get top spin, WW or exagerated finish well above your shoulder. When does someone like me use the two...Sorry for such a lengthy question and btw, great site.
  • Hey Vizzy. Thanks. Ideally you can get good extension on your WW, allowing you to drive the ball AND hit with spin. That's the forehand I would suggest you develop.

    In the meantime, some sort of hybrid would probably work well. The answer to your question is very situational -- sometimes a flat ball in appropriate; other times more spin is necessary.
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  • A vizzy
    Hi Will,
    I really like the analyis. It seems that Fed's swing looks modern because of the amount of wrist he uses and not his grip.

    I had a question.. I use a pretty orthodix eastern grip. Are you planning on doing a "how to" on a windshield wiper forehand for a grip like mine?

    Thx.
  • Hi Vizzy. You can hit a Windshield-Wiper Forehand just fine using an eastern grip. Our progressions will walk you through how to develop the shot.

    Federer pronates when he hits a forehand -- his wrist and forearm are turning over together, as one piece. He's not "using his wrist" in the classic tennis-speak sense of the term.

    Let me know how your WW progresses (make sure you have the forehand fundamentals down first!)

    Cheers,

    Will
  • k chaitanya kumar
    for a 21 year old...
    who will start playing tennis for the first time...
    what racket would you suggest......
    would you please mention any links where i can get , information in detail about the racket type depending on the cost...
  • Mauri
    I use a western forehand grip the ads are that it is easy to open the court you can create more angles but the point last longer because my ball isnt fast enough to do a winner most of the time y hit 3 or 4 balls to the corners before a winner what can i do to hit more through the ball with a wester grip ...?

    PD: Come on DELPO you did it again against ROGER VAMOOOOOS ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡
  • Mikee
    I have always used the Eastern forehand grip and swear by it. The radical Western (with palm under racquet handle) sure is popular with the pros (both men and women) and with lots of advanced juniors. The Eastern grip really allows you to hit the ball straight ahead---driving the ball through opponent's court---especially if you hit it deep. You can also vary the amount of Eastern low to high topspin...added to the stroke if desired. The Western grip imparts lots of topspin--lifting the ball with good margin for error over the net BUT those balls often land short---around opponent's serviceline and then bounce high. They can be attacked. Just watch Nadal's topspin forehands--they can be attacked if his timing is a little off. That happened today (Wed. 11-25-09) when Davydenko beat him at ATP World Tour Finals in London (Round Robin). I have also noticed that the radical topspiners play further behind the baseline. The flatter strokers play on the baseline and can drive the topspinners back and wide. The greatest at this ever was Jimmy Connors with his flat shots. Mikee.
  • Rutger
    Hello,

    A fan from NL here!
    I have a question about the email course (Forehand). Because the comments on that entry are closed, I'll post my question here.

    I was wondering why it is such a big deal to position your arm in a 90degree angle to your body (so in line with the baseline). Each player in de movies is more or less pointing at the ball, the same I always learned when I was preparing before a forehand. But you say different. Yesterday I tried this new thing in training, and it was working very well. But why is it learned so different? What is the theory behind this?

    Looking forward to any reply!

    Greetz,
    Rutger
  • Hi Rutger,

    Every pro extends their arm across their body and more-or-less in line w/the baseline. That helps them get a full shoulder turn, stay balanced, and judge the oncoming tennis ball. In other words, it facilitates good preparation.

    Pros don't point at the ball when they swing. However, it may appear like they do because of how the non-hitting arm moves to the left (assuming the player is right handed) during the forward swing.

    "Point at the ball" used to be a pretty common piece of advice and can serve a purpose when someone is just starting out. However, it's not a "technically correct" practice at high levels of play and can lead to errors like not getting fully sideways during the preparation or opening up your shoulders too soon during the forward swing.

    Hope that helps!

    Will
  • Igor
    Turning your non-hitting arm parallel to the baseline coils your upper body more and helps achieve a longer loop with greater shoulder rotation. The loop is also more consistent since the upper body turn no longer depends on the position and direction of the incoming ball.
  • Eric Williams
    Once again Will, you've done another great job. FYB is the No.1 online site to help you improve your game. Much love bro!!
  • Blip
    Take a look at this link. It is federer some years back.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRzLgGPShUw&...

    Here he hits the text book WW forehand . Looks like grip is also SW.

    He has evolved his forehand over time it looks.
  • I typically use a western grip, but that varies from time to time. Federer is truly a genius when it comes to ground strokes. I'd like to see an up close look at Rafa's grips (forehand, serve, and backhand).
  • Ali
    yeah
    every coach should read this.
  • garrett
    I think im more of a counter puncher and im using a western grip. But how do i counter punch someone who loves to slice? Is rushing to the net a good idea? If i see a slice comming?
  • Igor
    As much as I like Roger, I believe his technique is a bizzare blend of the classic tennis and the modern one. Therefore, Roger is not the best player for modern kids to copy.

    He found a way to generate lots of topspin with a conservative grip. He managed to stay on top with his 1-handed backhand (despite the slower surfaces, heavier balls, having to hit on the run, having to return big serves). He survived with the smallest racket head on tour (despite the need to generate extreme topspin).

    He is a genius, I bet he can beat anyone even in a wheelchair. But it is silly to buy yourself a wheelchair because of him.
  • ginger
    Thank Will. Great web ! I've played ten for 3 years. I am trying to correct my forehand with your 5 clips but it is not easy. Your "improve your forehand 3" is great. It will be more useful if you make some more videos to show why amateurs usually hit long or into the net when hit hard. Tks again.
  • Grego007
    Thanx to FYB i´ve been learning many specific things you can´t tell by your self like this one, i´ve played basketball almost my whole life, and i´m practicing tennis the last tow months helped by all of you it hasn´t been that hard, I love it !!!

    I´m from Dominican Republic, I speak spanish : Gracias a todos en FYB por su gran aporte, excelentes videos y explicaciones, The best tennis site ever !!!!!!!!!
  • Yeyo
    Hi Will,
    Congratulations for the great website.
    Two questions/ remarks:

    1- Something I did notice in one of the pics and the videos is that when Fed takes the racket back,at one moment the racket head is facing (horizontal to) the ground!. So there is arm twist he does when looping. This I believe has an impact on the way he drives through the ball. What do you think?

    2-And on a wider note: Don't you think it is tricky to recommend novices to copy Federer's forehand?. Isn't it wiser to stress that they should follow the (great) fundamentals or progressions?

    Thanks
  • You're copying his grip -- nothing else.

    This may seem counter-intuitive given the fact that Fed's forehand can be confusing, but his forehand is actually a great model. The trick is knowing what to focus on.

    Some of the extra stuff he does during the forward swing is what throws many people off.
  • Glenys Wall
    I get the instruction videos by email but can never see the video. What am I doing wrong please.
  • My guess is that it's an issue w/your computer. Do you have the latest version of flash? Try watching on a different computer and see how that goes.
  • fayssal
    hi will;
    will thanks for the website really great !
    So I've been trying to work on the 5 fundamentals you've mentionned, and I think that my problème is that I don't drop the raquette proprely, what can I do to improve on that point ? (just so I make my self even more clear : I do have my two hand on the racket, I turn my shoulders, put my legs on position, open up, my non-hitting arm is on the wainting position just being horizental...I just feel like my probleme is on the racket dropping, like I can't do it...)
    So any advise on that would be usefull, thanks...
  • Federer's grip isnt actually a full eastern...its a cross between eastern and semi-western. Also..Nadals grip is actually semi-western, if you look at his grip up close he has a semi-western grip. Although it looks like its western since he uses a size 4 1/4 grip so his hand goes farther around the handle. Search it on the talk tennis forums and you'll see what im talking about.
  • Arthur
    This is great. I can't believe it's so eastern. I thought it looked mod-eastern or semiwestern even in HD video, but when you blow it up, there it is.
    Still, at least sometimes it looks semiwestern or modified eastern, right? What percentage of photos did it look that way?
    What about Soderling, with that big, flat forehand. Or Delpo? You'd think those are more eastern too, since hitting a flat forehand is not what you're supposed to do with a western grip. But I'd like to see something scientific like this.
    Finally, is Federer's grip more or less variable than usual? You'd think it would be very consistent, but maybe the opposite is true?
  • Rich Jaffe
    Hi Wiil, thank you for your reply. I have seen all of those WW wiper progression videos, but I do appreciate you directing me to them. I first would like to tell you that I have seen as many instructional tennis videos as is humanly possible. There is no question that the two best websites are yours and tennisone. I do question your analogy about Federers technique being compared to turning a door knob. To me when you turn a door knob you supinate your forearm and wrist. On Federers forehand he's pronating his forearm and wrist by turning them in a counterclockwise direction, and when you turn a door knob your forearm and wrist turn clockwise. Congratulations again on creating a tremendous website. Rich Jaffe
  • Hey Rich,

    Thanks! Regarding the door knob anology, you'd be turning it counterclockwise. Technique is the same despite the direction your forearm / wrist is turning.
  • Charles
    Will,
    These video instructions are very good. Even though I work with a pro once-a-week; I always pick a tip or 2 from you that really help. I have been nailing my forehand since you made these 5 tips available. Please do the same for the backhand.
    Keep up the great work.
    Charles
  • HA
    Excellent analysis Will! I really enjoy your website, one of the best resources on the web.
  • Thx!
  • Mark
    Here's my dilemna. I have a player, who eventually will hopefully play D1 college tennis. However, her forehand right now is a weaker shot comparatibly to her backhand. The problem is that she is holding an Eastern grip, but has a more low to high swing path conducive to a semiwestern grip. When I've tried to move her grip over she frames a lot of balls. Obviously, staying in the current grip, she ends up hitting long when trying to hit hard. I would prefer to change her swing path, which may be more difficult. I'd very much like to hear anyone's take on this. Thanks.
  • i'm no expert but she should maybe change the swing path or she should look at the contact point of the ball(by looking at the contact point i mean watch where she makes contact with the ball on the racquet, Federer is a great example for this). btw sorry for my english, it's my second language
  • B
    She may want to experiment with higher string tensions on the racquet. Higher string tensions provide more control and require a harder swing for the ball to go out.

    I'm not a big fan of semi and full western grips. When you get low hard flat shots, it's very hard to return them with that grip and you don't want to be in a situation where your player is constantly thinking about changing her grip back and forth.
  • Rich Jaffe
    Hi Will, great job as usual with this Federer video. It looks to me that Federer follows through with the wind shield wiper follow through on most os his forehands. Isn't it much more difficult to use this technique with an eastern grip as opposed to a semi western or western grip?
  • Hi Rich,

    Short answer: yes.

    Federer's windshield-wiper technique is different from some of the other guys. He pronates to create the WW motion. The motion is very similar to turning a door knob. It's very important to note that THE WRIST IS NOT SNAPPING.

    Most pros "lift" the racket like a lever to create the windshield-wiper motion. We explain how that works here:

    http://www.fuzzyyellowballs.com/video-tennis-le...

    And if you want some progressions on how to learn the shot check some of these videos out:

    http://www.fuzzyyellowballs.com/video-tennis-le...

    IMO, the technique we teach is preferable for most players. Easier to learn and lets you hit a great forehand. No need to experiment w/Fed's trickier technique.
  • Mark McCall
    I bet everyone this weekend finds they're hitting their forehands in to the back fence. It's not an easy change to make. You have to concentrate more on hitting through the ball rather than generating lots of upward swing, and therefore spin.
  • Well you certainly shouldn't change if you like your grip. The point of the post is to emphasize the importance of learning how to hit through the ball from the start. Conservative grips make this easier.
  • jk
    This is the most definitive analysis I've seen. Very helpful! Great job, Will.
  • ace
    Excellent!!! It's about time someone put together a video like this!
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