What an epic Wimbledon final! 16 – 14 in the 5th set! This first video looks at a couple of the reasons why Andy Roddick gave Roger Federer such a tough match. The second video explains why, despite Andy’s overall improvement, there was a particular shot that let him down and gave Federer much-needed easy points.
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I personally think that Roddick lost the match because he could not hold his nerves during the most important points in the match. That was reflected in his 2 easy volleys missed in the 2nd set-tiebreak and also at the end of the match when his serve was broken by Federer. Although he served great during several break points, he failed to give his best during the most crucial points.
I think the shot that held Roddick back was his return.
Spot on, Austin, FYB touched on it too in the analysis of Federer’s service strategy against Roddick, in the final.
great analysis…I learned much about tennis through FYB. Keep up the good work, Will.
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Excellent…..
I answered correctly and my wife was amazed.
I just could not understand why Roddick was not giving Federer different looks – stepping back a few or even stepping in.
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wow 50 aces=2 sets…….so roddick basically gave federer 2 sets, thats way too much heheh its like me vs a beginner usually my first serve is an ace against them sometimes against intermediates btw 90-110 km is the speed…i cant hit a kick serve my first serve is about 20-40% in my second serve is 20-30 km and 95-99% in all i need to do is to learn a kick serve or twist
You are spot on about Roddick watching so many aces go by without even moving for them. However, I’m glad he did cause I was for Roger all the way. I would have be happy for Andy to have beaten anyone else but not Roger.
I certainly hope Andy continues playing at this high level!
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Just a final note on the Roddick/Fed match. Much has been made of Roddick not winning the tiebreak when he was so ahead in it. I think those things tend to even themselves out over a long match. To wit; in the first set Andy was serving at 5-5 set score. Fed had several break opportunities against Andy in that game. In particular, on the second (and final) break opptnty, Fed had a clear, no pressure down the line forehand shot to break Andy but Fed sailed it long. If Fed made that very makeable shot, he breaks Andy and then who knows what would happen in that first set. The point is that in a well matched hard fought competition, opptnties are there for both players to have.
I’m in the UK, and the BBC showed some really interesting analysis during the match. They overlaid two of Federer’s serves into the advantage court, and showed the whole action in slow motion. They were completely identical, same ball toss, same movement, same point of contact, but they ended up in opposite corners of the service box. Simply phenomenal ability to disguise his serve, and no wonder Andy was having trouble returning it.
Phenomenal match though, and credit to Andy for playing as well as he did. Like so many others, I thought he would get trampled on, but he gave a fantastic account of himself, sorry for him he couldn’t push it over the line.
yep..totally agree with you..and the backhand slice did some damage too..
I agree with you Will.Federer ‘s serve made the difference, while Roddick ‘s poor return put him in a lot of trouble.I think that Federer also had some issues with his return accept of the last two receiving games of the fifth set.Till then he was chipping Rondick ‘s serve and he wanted just to get the ball in the play.At the last 2 games he went a little bit further from the baseline and he started to hit the ball with his forehand and backhand top spin.In my opinion that is the reason why he broke Rondick for the first time in the match.
Keep up the good work Will!!
Aces alone do not tell the whole story. What about service winners? Bud Collins has the following stats on his blog: 62 service winners for Roddick, 22 service winners for Fed. If you add up Roddick’s 27 aces he ends with 89 unreturned serves vs Fed’s 72. So, I would say Federer had a worse returning day than Roddick.
According to the Wimbledon site, Roddick had 74 overall winners (including service winners) vs 107 winners for Federer. I am not sure how accurate Bud Collin’s stats are because that would mean that Roddick had only 12 winners not coming off his serve while Fed had 85 winners. Assuming the stats are correct or close to correct, Federer played a much better match and was let down by his return of serve, especially during break points and all those 30-30 situations. What do you think?
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nice. I just do think roger isn’t at his best…anyway the tennis world does’nt seem to be capable to take advantage of that, hopefully the return of nadal will make things more interessting…
The shot that held Roddick back from winning Wimbledon was the return of serve. I don’t know how ANYONE on the planet, even Roger, can win a match after being aced 50 times. That’s unreal and honestly shouldn’t happen. Roddick needs to return high class quality first serves more effectively if he ever hopes to win a Grand Slam.
…I know it’s easier said than done but he must.
will, that was terrific…is it possible to consider also the winners not on the serve only but the total play…volleys, forehands, backhands so we can have a total picture?..ivo karlovic has a lot of aces but still loses the game…
keep it up…i always read your articles…
will you did a great job…kudos…your quantitative analysis is awesome..some of your readers keep on giving qualitative comments that Roger is better..Opinions differ as to who is better but quantitative analysis shows who is better..not that im discounting nerves, attitude, psycho,,etc…
please continue what you are doing. you are a boon to tennis..
Thanks Peter (and everyone else) for the kind words!
Great website, one of the best.
Yes, Roddick’s lack of returns was the difference in the match and also a few key volleys torpedoed him. Hopefully, Stefanki spotted Roddick’s lack of varied positioning and they will work on it.
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I’ll probably differ with many of what has been said. First I agree that Andy’s backhand was so much improved but I thought that Roger was tight throughout the whole match. This meant he could not move well and therefore could not play great shots. he just played the balls over the net and hoped that Andy would make unforced errors but unfortunately Andy was in no such mood. That’s why I think the game lasted longer than it did. Remember the 1st set at 5-5, Federer ,on any other day, would not make such mistakes.
In a nutshell I thought the idea of breaking the record and being on his own weighed heavily on him and could not therefore move well, play great shorts and return well. As someone has already said it is Roger’s return that was poor.
I think Andy wasn’t playing enough drop shots and this may have been a reason of why he wasn’t ab;e to pick up a few more points. With the power Andy has he seems to like making the opponent work but by hitting hard shots down the line using either his forehand or his backhand. This maybe where Andy needs to improve although Roger never used to use this shot that often until the french open where it was very success
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i am not a profeffsion tennis playere, but i cant tell something was not quiete write with andy rodick and roger feddeer final, poor andy roddick roddick is fighting for his life for a grans slam why fderer wants 15 looke at the points in the 5 sets socre andy 14 federer 16 poiunts i think the points were raise higher so fedderr can win, they didnot want andy roddick to come home with the wimbdelon trophy, no rafael nadal this year beacuse of an injoury, evethime theire is a major, like wimbelon asuraiona open, french open, and the us open,if rafaek nadal or federer makes the final one or the other must win, like wimbdleon 2009, they wanted fedderr to win just so he can beat peter samrus record 14 majors, this was a we beit unfair to andy roddick fans and family, i thing it was andy serve, that was helding him back from coming home with that wimbdelon trhopey,he almost won, next year rafael nadal will be back aabd and federer will be defeated by another player, i hope this is roger federer last wimbdelon title don t have anything aginst him, but we will lket to see sombdoy new come home witl the wimbdelon trhoopey,it si ashamed it wasnt andy roddcik year, andy is getting alittle older it is goiong to be hard for him, this would of been his second major, will federr already has 15,lets hope thsi is roger federer last maojor.
Well done Will, It is really fantastic review. My question now is:
With improved Andy’s backhand and movement, what should Federer do if he meet Andy again? It is obvious that his old strategy won’t work against Andy now apart from those aces. If he has a trouble with his first serve then Andy might have a good chance to beat him.
Dunno if this has been mentioned, i just checked the stats from the atp website, and roger indeed had 127 first serves in. Don’t you think it’s a little misleading to bring up the 39% number there, considering you are just basically ignoring all second serves? It makes it look as if you’re saying that roger hit 127 serves in the match, when he actually hit close to 200. I know you’ve said at the start of your video that you were counting only first serves, but my question is why? As far as i can see, there’s no reason to exclude second serves from your statistic, and as i said, i believe that you mislead people that way.
Don’t get me wrong though, i quite agree with your analysis. The serve did incredible damage. And if you include the second serves into your percentage, you’ll get to about 25%, still a very high number considering the length of the match. And don’t forget, that number doesn’t include unreturned serves that don’t count as aces.
Once again, great video Will (and everyone else involved in making FYB vids!). Been watching for some time now and I can’t thank FYB enough for your insightful, interesting and high quality vids. Keep up the great work!
Anyways, before I watch the answer, I’m going to say Roddick’s backhand slice. Been a while since I watched the match but I recall him netting that shot often. It was almost as though, despite his improved movement, he wasn’t positioning himself well enough to hit the slice properly.
I would say return of serve also but I can’t remember any specific occassions where it was really hurting him/where he gave away unforced errors and Roddick’s return was never his strength anyway…
May be about to be proved wrong though…
Roddick certainly struggled with Federer’s serve, but who wouldn’t?
This day, I remember Roger painting lines in both boxed like I’ve never seen him do. I mean he was really sharp and never followed any predicatble pattern.
But, you seem to act like it’s all Roddick’s fault. You have to consider many of his peers consider Federer has being the hardest server to read on the tour. Kickers, slices, topspin, twists, flat on lines and corners… All that he never changes much his swing. The ball is always at the same spot, he always goes the same… Like he doesn’t even change his motion at all. When you can notice what have changed, it’s already too late because you have to face an incoming ball. Never tips his opponent. This makes it tremendously hard to play. All you can do is keep guessing and watch the ball.
You said Roddick serve is better than Federer’s. I would hardly conceid Federer’s sevre as being lesser good. On grass and clay, Roddick’s power is merely effective. Speed is useful up to a certain extend and you can read the statistics; on grass and clay, effects and angles prime over power. Get through the numbers and see if you can get percentage of winning points off first and second serves if the ball is returned.
Compare Roddick and Federer and tell me who prepares the play better.
Yes Roddick had problem reading Federer’s serve. Off Federer’s own mouth, he says he sometimes sees all what Roddick is about to serve and sometimes not. If he cannot read it, the game is harder.
If Roddick didn’t played Federer well on his serve, Federer was even worst on Roddick’s. Aces tell me how accurate and disguised the shots were. Rallies won off first serves and second serves tells me how well you used it.
Both players were unable to read each other and were both serving really well. It happened Roddick didn’t adjusted anything and lost, but he yet won two games off Federer’s serve while Federer got only one out at the very end.
It tells me the game could have been lesser close on each side, but yet the game played is now history and Federer was the one able to get the important poitn off. Like he always did and always do.
Best analysis of the match I have read so far.
Thanks for that.
that is absoloutely right thats what i thought too.
That´s ridicilous. Federer deserved to win. He were more peaceful than Roddick…
Good question…Roddick played like a winner overall but I think his down the line forehand might have been off. It could have been used as a serious weapon to finish a point, or at let set up a winner, but his wrist was a little bit closed and didn’t open up that down the line as much as he could have. When he DID, he actually was moving Federer all over the court like I’ve never seen Andy do. So I would say: down the line forehand.
it was the backhand slice
I would have to say the one shot that hurt Andy was his approcach shots particularly on the backhand side. He was not effective enough with the approach slice on many occasions.
Im guessing roddick's forehand was not that comsistant.
He made an excellent point. Aside from the serve, Roddick outplayed Fed most of the match. Often, I do see Roddick stand too close to the baseline when trying to return the serves of big servers. He needs to realize that hitting a weak return is far better than not getting a racquet on a serve. He should also maybe consider standinga bit farther back and moving close to the baseline right b4 the serve like Andy Murray does.
He made an excellent point. Aside from the serve, Roddick outplayed Fed most of the match. Often, I do see Roddick stand too close to the baseline when trying to return the serves of big servers. He needs to realize that hitting a weak return is far better than not getting a racquet on a serve. He should also maybe consider standinga bit farther back and moving close to the baseline right b4 the serve like Andy Murray does.
I thinki federer's court coverage is the main reason why roddick lost.Roger's court coverage is lethal.
roddick could have won
Probably due to Rod's slice?
mabye becasue roddick was in the net and couldnt finish points
Couple possibilities… Roger has always done a great job of hitting short slices to Andy's backhand, resulting in a relatively weak approach shots, in which Federer would often pass and exploit Andy's weak net game. Another reason is that Andy likes to hit high-spinning forehands to Roger's forehand. When Andy did this Roger would either flatten it deep into Andy's backhand corner or flat cross-court. Roger is a better player anyways, but those are a couple of his tactics which resulted in a great win
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Spot on dude. Well considered and often neglected analysis. Keep up the great work. Ginnemo, UK
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