August 20, 2012
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Very good but thought would have specifics of the kick serve
Yes, show how to execute a good kick serve please.
how about discussing serve toss right left or center of body.
Interesting stuff, I’ll try to think about these things the next time I’m playing, thank you!
Wow! You’ve given me a real insight on how to improve my service game. I have used wideth for some time and practice it. My usual pattern is probably common. I try for pace on my first serve and then use a Kick serve on the second. But now I see I can change pace and heigth based on now my opponent sets up. I have a question; In terms of wedith where should I target my kick serve when serving to the deuce court? And where should I aim when using my kicker to the add court?
They have already released a video on the specifics of the kick serve. I
t would be logical to consider that someone watching more advanced videos would have seen the prior first
Great review of placing the serve, speeds etc and of course reviewing how to receive and return these serves……Thanks
Not just left and right, but point-of-contact relative to into the court/directly over the body. The toss is so important and it’s so hard to see how to toss properly for a kick serve. I can hit one, but it goes off sometimes and I suspect it’s the toss.
Good video. It runs smoothly and has some good topics. Short and brief.
Like bob below, was kind of expecting some specifics on kick serve
I supposed the serve specifics come with the price tag
Good, but how do you toss the ball for a kick serve? To hard to see how it was tossed.
Great tips thank you. Just an added trick is that you want to serve in the middle of the net (that is lower)
Great lesson! ! ! Thank you….
Check our kick serve section of the website – I explain how to toss there
Very nice lesson. I don’t have the greatest fastest serve and I win lot of points from this variation you guys talk about and certainly surprise how people find it difficult to handle it. The more you can make your opponent uncomfortable, you have a good advantage. I also like the use of ‘time’ as 4th dimension since that is consistent with Physics as well.
Will, WM will be happy to be the unpaid sponsor for this.
Everytime I learn something new with you vídeos !.
Thank you Will
Great but where is the kick?
Will, I look at tennis and I think there’s not much to it. Then I watch one of your videos and I learn so much. You and FYBs are Da Bomb. Thank you.
Love the 4D analysis. It takes the variables available to a server and puts them in an organized matrix which helps my brain!
Thanks Michael happy to help!
FYB and Yann are hot; you guys keep it simple yet technical but very interesting. I usually watch your videos over and over because I definetly feel I´m learning new stuff. Thanks.
Good simple explanation on serving short (which ive never seen a pro discuss) and moving in and out on the return – but where is the kick part of the discussion?
This is a good video highlighting why so many players with weak serves (no pace, kick, or slice) can hold serve. As the video highlights, giving a returner a serve that they don’t like “a dead ball at their ankles being returned from no-man’s land” often puts the server in as good a control of the point as they would be had they simply blasted a flat serve to the returner’s body that the returner simply used the pace, blocking it back. We all know about the consistency issues mid or late in the match of blasting serves at our opponent’s body.
I’m probably not advanced but I was hoping you would tell me how to hit a kick serve short in the box and also long in the box.
What dimension does spin and types of spin affect most in regard to grounds tokes?
Tanks for all the info, may tennis has improve lots
Now I get it…! I’ve only used the short-serve dimension when unintentionally mis-hitting a serve. I know that I win a high % of those, but I’ve never considered doing it on purpose. I’ll need to start practicing that. Thanks for the insight.
This is an excellent video on serving strategy. The title you put on it does not capture the gist of the video. I might have called it “Basic 4D Serving and Strategy”. Keep up the good work!
Make that “Basic 4D Serving and Returning Strategy”.
Simply state of the badass art. Thank you very much, very instructive.
Hitting the court right away.
The height most likely
you just need to exaggerate the topspin if you want it to land shorter
If it is a hard serve placed to the body, which is best? The nadal way? Or the djockovic way?
Great! Did not realize how much you can do with a weak serve.
Ya power can be intoxicating. You DO NOT need it to be successful.
Really depends on your return abilities. As a general rule I’d say Djokovic, but what he does requires much more skill.
To a degree, sure. But the kick serve is a great way for the rec player to tap into all four dimensions.
Height and angle are big for sure. Improves consistency also.
Very true. Thanks for sharing Brian!
One of the points we made is that the kick serve is great for tapping into all of this stuff. Particularly at the rec level, where serve consistency is a major issue.
You’re welcome Luis!
Funny how organization makes such a big difference, huh? =)
Yep Ryan is right. Check out the kick serve section to learn the mechanics.
You’re welcome – let me know how it goes!
Hi Jim, thanks. I’d start with relatively big targets. In the video we just had two big boxes to aim for – anything more specific can be difficult for rec players. As you get into the match and get a rhythm on your serve you can aim for smaller targets.
If you’re asking more for strategy, well, that depends on your opponent =) This is hardly rocket science, but a good rule of thumb is to aim for the weaker side.
Glad you liked this! WM…? Can you be more specific please? Thanks!
so i must have missed the video of the kick-serve technique. where can i view it? thx
Yes, but it doesn’t seem like the video said as much about the kick serve as it did about general service strategy. There are tons of videos about technique but few about strategy. Your video is excellent on strategy.
A few years back I abandoned the hard flat serve (such as it was) in favor of employing degrees of side and top spin and started working on the kick serve. What has happened at my level (playing with 3.5 to 4.5 players in a rec format) is that my first serve percentage went way up, to sometimes playing a second serve once in a service game, and returners had more problems timing it up as the ball bounced higher or quicker or tighter than they prepared for and they committed a lot more return errors. I see from this that I do need to get a lot better at the depth dimension as a technique to go with the rest.
As always, this is excellent content that I can use!
Hi Will and Yann, excellent video, as always.
I have a problem though.
I have a pretty good heavy serve (I think) and I have pretty good technique.
Both my 1st and 2nd serve are based on the kick-serve, with maybe a little bit less kick on the first. (I learned it all from FYB by the way)
For some time now I have tried to be more creative with the 4 dimensions, and the problem is that as soon as I take power off the serve (to put it short to surprise my opponent, or simply pull him forward and off of the court) my technique and consistency breaks down and I hit in the net, or way out.
So, Will & Yann: Why am I so bad at hitting without pace? Is it the kick?
(This is not a joke, it is frustrating!)
Cheers / Erik
Brilliant breakdown of the serve–for any level player. Thank you!
I have exactly the same issue! I really just use a kick-serve for both serves. I’m working on width. But height and depth are completely beyond me right now: I find that I just can’t adjust the power – as soon as I slow down the racquet, I lose all control.
@Will and Yann – any suggestions?
Well there’s a difference between how fast you swing and how hard you hit. If you’re slowing the racket head down then you’ll get less spin and less control.
The pros swing very hard on their second serves – they aren’t backing off in that department – it’s just that that racket speed is now used to create spin and not power. So you want to do the same thing.
Glad this helped Robert. Thanks for sharing your personal story.
Hi Erik. Hard to say without seeing you serve. But a common problem here is that rec players swing much more slowly on the second serve (or a serve where they’re trying to dial back the pace) and that actually makes the serve less consistent.
You should keep the swing speed high – just emphasize spin and not pace.
can you produce a video on hitting backhand and forehand slices?
Nice to hear that I’m not the only one struggling with this.
Also nice to hear that I should not back down (much) on swing speed. But concentrate even harder at getting more spin.
This is heart-warming to hear Will, since that is what I have done up to now.
On a funny note, recently, my doubles partner and I have practiced crushing weak second serves. The problem have been that I cant seem to hit loose floopy serves to him…
Either its high pace or in the net.
I get no sound
Very disapointing, nothing about how to hit a kick serve.
Could you please make a video to address this then I will be able to apply this lesson.
acen, I think of a kick serve as having two components of energy that I can control when I unload the kinetic chain hitting the serve. 1.) Spin (or Kick) and 2.) Pace (or Drive), go for more Kick and less Drive by hitting more up on the ball, you will cause the ball to peak closer to you and spin faster both will cause the ball to bend shorter into the court.
So, um, you are asking me to think and play tennis at the same time?
Thanks to your video I can automatically now see where I have been going wrong with my serve – even though I am at a very rudimentary level. Cheers
Good to learn a wimpy serve can still be effective in 4 dimensions
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Thanks Will and Yann. Now my serve has more reasons to be my favorite shot. It getting even more mastered. Thanks a lot. Hugs.
Watching Federer-Djokovic in US OPen Series Cincinnati final, has been one the most exciting and mind blowing prescision ball hitting I’ve seeing! Federer, you are truly the world’s best player in the history of the sport. Thank you for giving us so many great years, and continue to do so with such quality, excellence and grace in this wonderful sport.
Thanks for the hug Marie =)
Yep! Your serve can be effective at any level. You just have to know how to use it.
Happy to help Jackie!
Good, clear info.
Another great angle at tennis technique. As always, admiring your work, still a nagging doubt:
How can a kick serve combine with the tactic of pulling someone close and force into a low position? I would think it always must combine with the depth = long & height = high tactics. To pull someone low & close, a side spin serve seems to be the correct technique.
A very nicely done video, thanks a lot.
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